[OntVFR] FW: Ducati Confessions

Derrick Csongradi derrick.csongradi at gmail.com
Sat May 18 07:20:18 EDT 2019

Last year I had the pleasure of taking a R1200GS for a short demo ride. I
can see why it is BMW’s best selling model. The horsepower to torque ratio
is perfect and is all any one really needs. The boxer motor’s low centre of
gravity makes parking lot speeds a breeze. It has all the electronic
comforts. This is a do it all bike and has been luring riders away from the
shrinking sport touring market for years. Last year at the VFR WDGAH meet
in New Hampshire I counted four which makes it the most current model and
second favourite. I came close to buying one but the cost and trying to
swing my leg over with the side case on made me hesitant.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:25 PM Jim Brown <toastandjam35 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm. I haven't had my vfr for a number of years. I sold it and bought a
> BMW r1200gsa. I never miss the vfr. I loved it but the BMW does everything
> that I currently use a bike for better than the vfr ever did. Could I carve
> a mountain road better on the vfr sure but they are in short supply here.
> But even if I lived in California again I wouldn't trade in the BMW for a
> vfr.
> I have a Ducati 999R. It has 150hp built in 2005 before there were any
> electronics to help you. If you yank the throttle on it. It will change
> your perception of speed and time. I think the electronics on modern bikes
> make 160hp seem tame. I can assure you it isn't if you turn them off.
> The VFR is an excellent motorcycle and I'm glad I owned an icon for a
> while. It does everything well but nothing great and maybe that's it's
> biggest problem.
> My BMW is a 2006. I think about upgrading sometimes but it does everything
> I want. They aren't currently building anything that tempts me away. I
> thought the Africa twin might but it just missed the mark. When someone
> builds an adventure bike that does all my Gsa does while losing significant
> weight and comes in a sub 1000cc package for a reasonable price I'll keep
> riding the BMW and washing the Ducati lol. Speaking of which I should sell
> that thing insuring two bikes is painful.
> Jim
> On Fri., May 17, 2019, 7:29 p.m. Andrew Carlyle, <carlyle.andrew at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Personal preference, body type, mindset or whatever plays a big part in
>> all this. I am reminded of the discussions about seats. One person will
>> love the stock seat, the next hate it and want to go aftermarket etc. Three
>> people will have wildly different opinions of a particular bike. Its a good
>> thing though because if we all liked exactly the same thing then the world
>> would be a pretty boring place.  I think Derrick's right that having a
>> selection of bikes would be the answer. But since that isn't practical for
>> most of us then bikes like the VFR tend to stand out as they can do a
>> number of things and do them well. On my VFR I did everything from long
>> distance touring to track days and it did a pretty good job of all that. I
>> loved all of my VFR's (over the years I had three different generations of
>> VFR) but eventually wanted to move on to something else. What is important
>> is that what you ride puts a smile on your face. All else is secondary.
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:15 PM Derrick Csongradi <
>> derrick.csongradi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The solution is a Jay Leno’s garage. The choice is endless but many of
>>> are restricted to one choice. Insurance costs are restrictive in Canada.
>>> With sadness I sold my VFR recently but most of my riding is long extended
>>> trips and the FJR was a compromise for my 60 yr old body.
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:52 PM David Davidson <did at rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> It’s funny how this, like many things in life, is all about what’s
>>>> right for the individual.
>>>> When I rode the GS1200 (which I assume is similar to the duke), I also
>>>> didn’t really get what the hype was all about.  The engine had tons of
>>>> power and the upright seating position was obviously very easy on the
>>>> rider; but it’s a big bike and a little top heavy for me.  Lots of riding
>>>> modes and suspension options.  Great for some people I’m sure, but just too
>>>> much for me to think about.  I guess it offers something very special for
>>>> those that prefer routes that offer some off-roading, but is very capable
>>>> on the pavement as well.
>>>> I’m sure a rider with the right ability gets a ton of fun from both
>>>> these bikes.
>>>> Not for me though.  Different four strokes for different folks.
>>>> ---David
>>>> On May 17, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Andrew Carlyle <carlyle.andrew at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> I have a 2015 Ducati Multi 1200S and after putting some 25,000
>>>> kilometers on it my take is somewhat different. A couple of years ago I
>>>> rode it to California and back a trip of some 11,000 kilometers door to
>>>> door. I know everyone is different and each person can have a different
>>>> experience on the same bike but I found the bike very comfortable when
>>>> doing back to back 600 kilometer days. These days I am unable to ride a VFR
>>>> due to back issues (I can't do the sport bike forward lean any more) but I
>>>> can ride the Ducati just fine.  Last fall I rode from WDGAH to home in one
>>>> day (I think I clocked about 900 kilometers).
>>>> As to the power of the bike and the engine characteristics that depends
>>>> on which riding mode you are in. There are four modes one being enduro, one
>>>> being city and the other two being touring and sport respectively. The
>>>> enduro and City modes limit power to 100 bhp while the other two both are
>>>> full power modes (160 HP). According to dyno tests I have seen real world
>>>> rear world horsepower is somewhere in excess of 140 hp (I have seen 146 in
>>>> a few tests).
>>>> The suspension is automatically adjusted depending on what mode you
>>>> choose.  You can if you want adjust everything manually included the level
>>>> of intervention. If you want you can shut it all off entirely.
>>>> Not sure what mode you were in but there is a noticeable difference in
>>>> engine characteristics even between the full power touring and sport modes.
>>>> Touring is softer and the Sport is much more aggressive. Suspension is
>>>> noticeably tauter in sport mode. Although I haven't tried it personally I
>>>> am told that with wheelie control disabled it is very easy to wheelie the
>>>> bike using the throttle alone.
>>>> As to performance it will eat VFRs, and a lot of other bikes, for
>>>> lunch. Much sharper handling than a Viffer and although the power may not
>>>> seem that much different it really is a pretty dramatic difference. You
>>>> would have to ride a Multi on a twisty road (such as those found in North
>>>> Carolina or the California mountains) to truly appreciate how much faster
>>>> it is than a VFR. Around here, as we all know, there aren't many roads that
>>>> even come close to challenging any modern motorcycle.
>>>> But the bottom line is that if you don't care for it you don't care for
>>>> it. Not everyone who rides a VFR thinks it is great either.
>>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:30 AM Robyn Landers <rblanders at uwaterloo.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> [Forwarded for Brad with some image manipulation...  -ed]
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>    From: Taylor, Brad [brad.taylor at tc.gc.ca]
>>>>>    Sent: May 17, 2019 10:55 AM
>>>>>    To: ontvfr at vfr.on.ca
>>>>>    Subject: RE: OntVFR Digest, Ducati Confessions
>>>>> I'm here on a rainy Friday morning to confess that yesterday
>>>>> afternoon, as my trusted VFR languished under its cover (still uninsured),
>>>>> I went for a ride on a 2015 Ducati Multistrada 1200S. It's interesting how
>>>>> far things have come since 1991 and yet, despite the huge technological &
>>>>> HP gap between these two bikes, I still wouldn't accept the Ducati as a
>>>>> replacement. Even as I write this, I have a hard time explaining exactly
>>>>> why that is. Perhaps it's the need for Dealer level intervention for every
>>>>> single simple maintenance requirement or maybe it's the tiny lack of
>>>>> throttle response inherent in fly by wire throttle systems. Perhaps it's
>>>>> due to the lack of the V4 symphony, although the Ducati, equipped with its
>>>>> $3k titanium exhaust does make some good noises (perhaps too much
>>>>> actually). The cruise control and backlit handlebar controls are nice, as
>>>>> is the heated grips, which is something I've never experienced outside of
>>>>> sledding. The riding position seems quite comfy but your hands are spread
>>>>> quite wide and my elbows hurt after half an hour for some reason. I
>>>>> couldn't imagine more than an hour in this position, to be honest. Despite
>>>>> the enormous horsepower on tap, it didn't feel super fast and at no time
>>>>> was a shocked at the acceleration or caught over my head with the
>>>>> performance of it. It feels caged and boxed in with all the driver aids
>>>>> ensuring that nothing too exciting happens, like a modern Honda Civic. Ok
>>>>> bad example, but you get the idea. I had to change the settings to remove
>>>>> the wheelie control in order to elicit such and finally had a smile on my
>>>>> face.
>>>>> So I operated it for a couple of hours and put it back in the garage
>>>>> with a meh result. My wife wasn't fussed with the rear seat, saying that
>>>>> her bum was sore and that she preferred the old VFR stock seat. She also
>>>>> noted that the saddle bags rubbed the backs of her legs and she wants them
>>>>> off before the next outing.
>>>>> So I guess I better get the insurance on my old steed so we can
>>>>> continue our two wheeled romance!
>>>>> I bought a 1990 parts bike in NJ last month so I could steal the left
>>>>> exit Two Brothers exhaust of it. So now I need to get busy cleaning that
>>>>> system up and mounting it on my 91.
>>>>> That means I'll have a stock header, Vance and Hines SS2R slip-on,
>>>>> center stand and the lower metal fairings available, if someone is looking.
>>>>> Not to mention the 1990 parts bike, which consists of a frame
>>>>> (undocumented) rear sub frame, rear brake system, engine and a harness
>>>>> (cut) but with ignition, front forks and wheel, white fuel tank (small
>>>>> dent) etc . Call or text me at 613-857-3645 if you need something.
>>>>> Brad Taylor
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